Hello World,
I'm messing with Arpeggiator.
Notes are sustaining from trigger to trigger even though they are not selected - as if they are tied - but Ties are not selected. When Ties are selected there is no discernible change to output.
There are no silences at all regardless of Triggers being turned off.
Furthermore (and likely, quite related)
When I link Arpeggiator to Soundout it generates first note in chosen arpeggio constantly - before I select play.
Play functions as described above.
When I select Stop whatever note was playing at that point sustains indefinitely ... until audio is disabled.
Does this seem right?
BTW - I am reading the manual extensively.
Thanks!
Jeff
These observations are consistent with the behaviour of the Arpeggiator and AM in general.
As far as I can tell, there is probably a good argument for doing away with the ties in the pattern editor in the Arpeggiator as, as you observe, they don't appear to have any discernible effect on output . I am happy to have this refuted or corrected.
It is also the case that any free running sound generating contraption will continuously put out audio while the transport is stopped. As AM is not limited to having the transport running to process audio and MIDI events, this makes sense, though Ideally we would have the option of switching audio off when the transport is stopped ( & possibly limited switchin to contraptions(?) that do not operate without the transport).
In light of this, a common combination is to add a Southpole after the Arpeggiator which then enables far greater control over the Arpeggiators output.
Wow,
I find it hard to believe that there is no option for silence between notes.
The contrast between legato/staccato is so basic, and so necessary.
And why are the Tie options even there?
In the manual there is a screen shot of Arpegiator - it shows utilization of Ties.
Can someone explain what they are supposed to do there?
In the first measure, how does the middle of the first quarter differ from the middle of the second quarter?
Jeff
I can hear the notes tie-in to the other ones. Use the glide knob. (put it to maximum)
If you wanna shape the sound of the arpeggiator, I suggest you use it in conjunction with southpole.
Southpole isn't just a filter, you can also affect the volume.
I think I remember Ross saying that in the future there might be a gate option to stop the sound of the arp or other contraptions. The thing is, I find it valuable that the arp plays constantly, I use it has an oscillator cuz it has a sawtooth and a square wave. If you select 1 note and press play, the triggers don't affect nothing and I find this extremely useful. I'll stack 3-4 arp like this and send them to southpole for further sound shaping.
"I can hear the notes tie-in to the other ones. Use the glide knob. (put it to maximum)"
Cool. That makes more sense. Surprised I'd missed it but there you go...
Thanks.
I think I get it now.
The error in my thinking is expecting the Arpeggiator to be a sort of stand alone instrument as opposed to a signal generator.
To be honest, I have to get past the paranoid stage where I suspect the program is working incorrectly on my system, which you may find is the consistent theme behind my posts ...
I really think I've past that landmark now.
Back to work ...
Jeff
Well the software has bugs like any other software, I've reported a lot over the years but Ross usually squash'em pretty fast and the software is very solid. You'll get used to the workflow, it is definitely not a mainstream type of software that follows trend but that's what I like about it. The meta-surface being one feature that is quite unique to AM.
As far for the arpeggiator, I doesn't exactly work like the traditional arpeggiators you see in VSTi theses days. I use for all sorts of things that I can think of. If you have a midi keyboard and wanna try one that works in Audiomulch, try Kirnu arpeggiator. It's free and it works inside AM has a midi plugins. http://www.artovaarala.com/
You could for instance just record some sequences with it straight to wavefile using the soundout or file recorder and then chop'em up and load'em back into a looperplayer (or many loopplayers) and just start mashing away. I use this plugins sometimes with a plugin called piz midi keyboard http://www.thepiz.org/pizmidi/?p=midiKeyboard that I plug into Kirnu and just right-click on the keyboard notes. This maked the arp play by itself without the need for a midi keyboard.
Anyway feel to post any questions. There's plenty of Audiomulchers around here to help you out around here.
Pat
Using the arp with southpole is amazing! I hadn't tried that until now and can't believe how fantastic, and simple, this is. Thanks so much for the suggestion.
Kirnu arpeggiator is pretty nifty, but I found it took a bit of experimenting to get it to pass signal to synth plugins. Also, it doesn't seem to like AM's transport commands. But it's brand new to me, so maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Another nice feature of pizmidi's midiKeyboard plugin is that you can channel another device through it, and it indicates the notes being sent. I found it quite helpful with Eckel's interface, which only gives numeric values for the pitches.
there's a bit that can be done with the onboard arp. Just by using presets, you can control a bit more the arp itself. You can change presets any time so in the automation, you just change them a few times inside a measure and create your own phrase with short burst.
Or you can put'em in the metasurface, go nuts with a whole bunch of presets, record this live to wavefile using soundout, and reload it in a file player and put southpole and go nuts. Or just repeat the metasurface step with southpole presets this time.
I don't think you'll be exausting the possibilities anytime soon.
Can't wait to see an online patch lib in the future. This will be much easier by sending documents. I have some many of them with some tricks used. I can't wait to try out some of the users's experiments also.
"I find it hard to believe that there is no option for silence between notes."
Just to confirm: The design is such that you should use a SouthPole or Bassline after the arpeggiator if you want that.
Best to think of it as an "Arpeggiating Oscillator" rather than a full-blown synth that has an arpeggiator in it.
"Best to think of it as an "Arpeggiating Oscillator" rather than a full-blown synth that has an arpeggiator in it."
This is what I am slowly discovering; that the contraptions provided are 'basic' for a reason. Everything is set up in such a way that it functions as both a plug-and-play music system AND a 'low level' modular synth/audio environment. Now that I've seen this everything has taken on a whole new life.
That's why I use the arp's osc as extra signal generators. With 1 note on the keyboard, the arp only produces a wave. So i'll use that as a starting point for further mangling into other contraptions.
Sometimes, it's up to 5 arp that produces a saw wave chord and then I'll make different chords and just interpolate between them in the metasurface or just send it to a few southpole in parallel.
There are other means of providing movements to static sound such the DLgranulator or nebulizer (using quantize)
Great tip about parallel outputs to a bunch of southpoles. I've got an ambient soundtrack playing right now based on just that. Thanks!
Maybe it would be helpful to have a dedicated forum for all these sorts of suggestions, perhaps eventually with links to the patchlib?
There was the google groups but I think Ross talked about doing a patchlib on the site directly. I hope this happens. It will be cool to share tips and ideas with other users.
> There was the google groups but I think Ross talked about doing a patchlib on the site directly.
It will be happening soon. Definitely before 2.2 is released.